Murray Langston: My daughter has been Britney Spears' background singer on her last three albums.
Kliph Nesteroff: The Unknown Background Singer?
Murray Langston: That's pretty much what she is. So, anyway, you're writing a book? You know, I was there the day the Comedy Store opened.
Kliph Nesteroff: You were in a comedy team with African-American comic Freeman King when the Comedy Store opened. Tom Dreesen likes to say he had the only black and white comedy team of the era...
Murray Langston: The truth is we were around at the same time. Tim Reid and Tom Dreesen were doing an act in Chicago at the exact same time Freeman and me were opening for Redd Foxx at his club in Los Angeles. We opened for Redd Foxx and then we got signed for The Sonny and Cher Show. I'd have to figure out when Tim and Tom started. It doesn't really matter.
Kliph Nesteroff: What was the Redd Foxx Club like?
Redd certainly did his share. It was a real hangup for a lot of comics of that era. I don't actually know of too many acts that came out of his club, but Flip Wilson was hanging out there and Cheech & Chong. My club was called The Show Biz. It was the place where Letterman first came when he arrived from Indianapolis. Michael Keaton was discovered at my place. He was Michael Douglas back then, that was his real name. Gallagher started out at my place when he first came in from Florida. Debra Winger was one of my waitresses before she made it. We dated. She dated a lot of comics. I started dating her when she came into my place and then she dated Richard Lewis and a few others.
David Letterman and Jay Leno were major buddies in the beginning. Letterman lived one block from my club on Oxnard. So he used to come to my club and work out all the time. He told me he wanted to work out there before he went over to the Comedy Store. Letterman had this dog Bob that was a stray that walked into the back door of my club. Letterman took him home.
He worked my place a lot in the very beginning. He was always aloof. Tom Dreesen is one of his best friends and Johnny Witherspoon and Jeff Altman, but he wasn't a guy you could get close to. I went to his house in Malibu when he started doing his morning show. He said, "Come down and visit the house." They had no furniture. It was just this beautiful, empty house. I believe Merrill Markoe still has the house now. Letterman was just so damn good onstage. He just had that natural, sarcastic ability. I don't know how nervous he was in those days but he never even showed it.
Kliph Nesteroff: How long was The Show Biz in operation?
Murray Langston: I had it for two years. It was two of the worst and best years of my life. I had a tremendous amount of fun but I had no clue what running a club was. I did it to show off. I made some money after three and a half years on The Sonny and Cher Show and I said, "Hey, I'll open a club." After two years I was busted broke on my ass because I had no clue. You have to sort of be a prick to be a successful club owner and I wasn't. I was very generous and you can't do that. You have to be a prick. But it was two interesting years. I created The Unknown Comic because I was broke and desperate to get some money after my club went out of business. The Unknown Comic was formed because The Gong Show was on the air and I needed money. If you were in the union they had to pay you whether you won or lost and that's when I started that character.
Kliph Nesteroff: You and Freeman King put out an album on Laff Records.
Murray Langston: Yeah. When Freeman died, that was a tough one for me. On the record is me interviewing him as the first Black president. We were thrilled to have a record, but I don't think it sold a whole lot. It was not a big deal. Back in those days comics didn't care that much about making money. We were all about having fun.
Kliph Nesteroff: There was a guy who was every where in the 1970s stand-up scene and then just vanished. A guy named Jimmy Martinez.
Murray Langston: He was very close with Steve Landesberg and that ilk. He had some very funny routines. I can't remember what happened to him either, but he was around in those very early days also. The first night of the Comedy Store you know who was onstage? A comedy trio - Craig T. Nelson, Barry Levinson and Rudy DeLuca. They were a comedy trio and they went on the day the Comedy Store opened and they were the funniest thing that night.
Kliph Nesteroff: How did you know about it - to have even been there the opening night?
Murray Langston: A lot of the comics were hanging out at Schwab's Drugstore and we got word that Rudy DeLuca and Sammy Shore were going to open up the club. Jackie Gayle was one of the guys that I hung out with and we all looked up to. Sally Marr was hanging out there. The word was they were going to open this club and Jackie Gayle was going on opening night. I went over with Jackie Gayle. He was pissed because Sammy hogged the stage most of the night. If Johnny Carson hadn't decided to move his show to L.A, the Comedy Store would not have survived more than a couple months.
Kliph Nesteroff: What was the attendance like in the early days?
Murray Langston: It was pretty good. When word got out that Richard Pryor was going there, the word spread pretty fast.
Kliph Nesteroff: Was there a difference between the Sammy Shore - Rudy DeLuca era and the latter Mitzi Shore period?
Murray Langston: I was never a fan of Mitzi Shore. She really fucked me over a couple of times. I never really worked at the Comedy Store even though I started there. When I created the Unknown Comic I didn't have an act. I started emceeing at the Comedy Store in Westwood. With Sammy, whoever showed up got up. Mitzi became the boss and set times.
Kliph Nesteroff: The old guys were still alive while you were on Sonny and Cher. There were guest stars like Milton Berle and Jimmy Durante and Buddy Hackett.
Murray Langston: The big thrill - for me - was Jerry Lewis. Doing sketches with him on Sonny and Cher was a thrill.
Kliph Nesteroff: The Gong Show was kind of important for some of the Comedy Store comedians.
Murray Langston: A lot of guys would go down there and make some bucks. Even Steve Martin. He was one of the writers on Sonny and Cher. There were five of us regulars on there, which included Teri Garr and Ted Ziegler and Billy Van and Peter Cullen. Everybody is dead now.
Kliph Nesteroff: You were a regular on Make Me Laugh.
Murray Langston: Yes, we couldn't wait to get down there. It was such a silly, fun show and we got a paycheck. It was one of those shows we all looked forward to doing.
Kliph Nesteroff: Franklin Ajaye said Make Me Laugh did more for his career than the Tonight Show.
Murray Langston: I don't remember it doing anything specific for my career. I started getting paid. There were very few comics getting paid except for a select few Playboy comics and stars.
Kliph Nesteroff: You are in the trashy drive-in movie Skatetown USA.
Murray Langston: Oh, that was fun. A guy named Bill Levy directed it. He liked comics. He had Bill Kirchenbauer in it and Flip Wilson and Vic Dunlop and Gary Mule Deer. I was in it both as The Unknown Comic and myself. I got to pinch that girl's ass who got killed. What was her name?
Kliph Nesteroff: Dorothy Stratten.
Murray Langston: Dorothy Stratten, yeah. She was just gorgeous and all of us guys were flirting with her. But that guy who killed her was sitting there staring at her. I remember that. One of the girls who worked on it ended up being a girlfriend of mine for seven years. Billy Barty was in it and subsequently he became a good buddy of mine. We did a bunch of movies together - Night Patrol and Wishful Thinking and a few others. Billy was a real sweetheart. Joe E. Ross was in it and another one of the Schwab's guys. He hung out at Schwabs with Sally Marr and Jackie Gayle. There was this other guy too - the first stand-up comic I ever saw... I wanted to go see what a stand-up comic looked like. I went to the Playboy Club and it was a guy named Paul Gilbert.
Kliph Nesteroff: He was an old mimic.
Murray Langston: I watched him onstage for an hour at the Playboy Club and I thought, "Holy fuck, I could never do that." But we ended up talking and we became buddies. Daytime the hangout was Schwab's and nighttime was Theodore's on Santa Monica. Paul Gilbert is Melissa Gilbert's and Sara Gilbert's dad. Melissa was adopted and Sara was a real kid. He was a super influence on my life in the beginning. Paul Gilbert.
Kliph Nesteroff: How about George Schlatter. He was an early booster of yours.
Murray Langston: He and Paul Keyes were the two producers of Laugh-In. Tiny Tim became this huge success. I still had not figured out how to get into this business. I was working at IBM. When Tiny Tim got huge I thought, "Shit, if he can make it..." I would make the guys in my computer room laugh by doing these weird impressions. One of them was a fork. So, I called up NBC and said, "Can I speak to the producer of Laugh-In?" Which you're not supposed to do, but George Schlatter got on the line. I said, "This is Murray Langston and I would like to come and audition for your show." He said, "What do you do?" I said, "I do an impression of a fork," He said, "Okay, come down tomorrow." I went down and stood real thin and put up my arms like a fork and that was it. Nobody laughed and I felt like a schmuck. I went back to the computer room and said, "Well, that was a waste of time." But I got a call and they said, "Report next week for make-up at one o'clock." I ended up performing as Beautiful Downtown Burbank's greatest impressionist. They wrote a few other impressions for me like a tube of toothpaste. I thought I was going to be huge like Tiny Tim. It didn't lead to anything.
Kliph Nesteroff: Years later the Unknown Comic revealed himself on George Schlatter's Real People.
Murray Langston: Yes, well, Skip Stephenson was a buddy of mine. He was on that show. He was another guy who used to come into my club all the time. He talked me into doing it. At that time I figured I'd had enough of it and I was ready to move in a different direction.
Kliph Nesteroff: Did the craze of the Unknown Comic turn into a monster?
Murray Langston: I created the Unknown Comic, but I had no act. I was offered a job in Las Vegas for five thousand a week. Since I had no act I hired a band, put bags over their heads, and called them the Brown Baggers. I hired a line of dancers and called them The Baggettes and that filled out the show. I designed the show all around the bag character. Even though I was getting five thousand a week, this show cost six thousand a week. So I made no money. It took a while to actually start developing as a stand-up comic because I had never really worked as a stand-up up to that point.
Kliph Nesteroff: Were you doing gigs as the Unknown Comic and Murray Langston at the same time?
Murray Langston: Yes, I always did both because you could only hold an audience so long with that character. I do an hour show and I only do about twelve minutes as The Unknown Comic. They love The Unknown Comic when he first comes out, but he's still a gimmick and you can only do it for so long. I am much better without the bag. I didn't want my friends to see me on The Gong Show, but I needed money. So I came up with this idea of putting a bag over my head. Nobody will know it's me and I'll make a quick two hundred dollars. That's how it got started. I had never worked as a stand-up comic up to that point. I only did sketches onstage with Freeman King.
Kliph Nesteroff: What do you remember about working with Steve Martin on the Sonny and Cher program?
Steve was more of an introspective guy. He invited us to his place in the Hills. We stopped in one day because he was always been inviting over. We knock on the door and he answered while playing the banjo. He invited us in, but he wouldn't stop playing the banjo and it was extremely uncomfortable. He barely talked to us. We said, "Wow, that was weird." I've seen Steve over the years and he's one of those guys who is a genius, but offstage he's really serious. A lot of guys are like that. Howie Mandel is like that. Yakov Smirnov is like that, but Yakov is a real schmuck. He turned out to be a jerk.